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		<title>By: John Honeck "JLH"</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Honeck "JLH"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments everyone, in no particular order here's my thoughts.

- Sphinn, it didn't make it to the home page so I don't have a feel for the traffic yet.

- Lazy webmaster is a good point.  I also personally feel its a matter of responsibility.  If you are going to put forth the effort to maintain a site, part of that is being responsible for its content.  If the site outgrows your ability to maintain it, then its either time to sell, grow, shut it down.  Nofollowing everything is a cop-out, taking the easy way out.  That goes for blogs that nofollow all comments as well.

- Flux is kind of what I was getting at as well, by "not influencing" search engines nofollow is in fact influencing them.  It's the missing cause that changes history.  What if Einsteins mother would have fallen off a horse and died before he was born? The world would never have known what it is missing.  With Nofollow the web is one thing, without its another, to say that it doesn't influence search engines is wrong.  The fact that a popular site like wiki isn't voting for any other sites on the web is a disservice for all of google's searchers as the sources for most of their pages don't get the credit they deserve.

- Using nofollow as a tool is good of course.  I nofollow my feeds as well as block them by robots.txt.  I look at it like a redirection.  If I redirect an old page to a new one, I change my links to the old page to the new one.  I don't want to send the crawlers on a hunt around the site.  Well, if I am going to block a page by robots.txt I don't want to also tell them to crawl it with a link to it.

- I am just wonder if in the future that the over-use of nofollow will be used as a signal of an overly-optimized site.  I use it as a signal of quality, just like a site with no external links is a dead end, so should a site with nofollowed all external links be considered a dead end.  It's contrary to the nature of Google's ranking algo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments everyone, in no particular order here&#8217;s my thoughts.</p>
<p>- Sphinn, it didn&#8217;t make it to the home page so I don&#8217;t have a feel for the traffic yet.</p>
<p>- Lazy webmaster is a good point.  I also personally feel its a matter of responsibility.  If you are going to put forth the effort to maintain a site, part of that is being responsible for its content.  If the site outgrows your ability to maintain it, then its either time to sell, grow, shut it down.  Nofollowing everything is a cop-out, taking the easy way out.  That goes for blogs that nofollow all comments as well.</p>
<p>- Flux is kind of what I was getting at as well, by &#8220;not influencing&#8221; search engines nofollow is in fact influencing them.  It&#8217;s the missing cause that changes history.  What if Einsteins mother would have fallen off a horse and died before he was born? The world would never have known what it is missing.  With Nofollow the web is one thing, without its another, to say that it doesn&#8217;t influence search engines is wrong.  The fact that a popular site like wiki isn&#8217;t voting for any other sites on the web is a disservice for all of google&#8217;s searchers as the sources for most of their pages don&#8217;t get the credit they deserve.</p>
<p>- Using nofollow as a tool is good of course.  I nofollow my feeds as well as block them by robots.txt.  I look at it like a redirection.  If I redirect an old page to a new one, I change my links to the old page to the new one.  I don&#8217;t want to send the crawlers on a hunt around the site.  Well, if I am going to block a page by robots.txt I don&#8217;t want to also tell them to crawl it with a link to it.</p>
<p>- I am just wonder if in the future that the over-use of nofollow will be used as a signal of an overly-optimized site.  I use it as a signal of quality, just like a site with no external links is a dead end, so should a site with nofollowed all external links be considered a dead end.  It&#8217;s contrary to the nature of Google&#8217;s ranking algo.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.jlh-design.com/2007/07/nofollow-spam/#comment-5086</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty sure Matt Cutts has suggested a number of times to use Nofollow as a tool to block certain pages.

Whilst Google are known to twist the spin periodically, I can't remember any total "about face" movements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure Matt Cutts has suggested a number of times to use Nofollow as a tool to block certain pages.</p>
<p>Whilst <strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">G</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 255, 77);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">g</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);">l</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">e</strong> are known to twist the spin periodically, I can&#8217;t remember any total &#8220;about face&#8221; movements</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kata</title>
		<link>http://www.jlh-design.com/2007/07/nofollow-spam/#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of the comments. It's just a matter of time before this gets abused!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of the comments. It&#8217;s just a matter of time before this gets abused!</p>
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		<title>By: dockarl</title>
		<link>http://www.jlh-design.com/2007/07/nofollow-spam/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>dockarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the whole nofollow thing just looks like a stop-gap measure - like Google saying, "ok, our weapon of choice (PR) is out of the bag and losing relevance because people are abusing it - so lets throw the cat amongst the pigeons and give it a shake up".

Short to mid term, it's going to cause alot of flux in the index as it comes back to equilibrium, which may look good from the internal models at Google - but medium term, it's not going to achieve very much at all - it'll be the same old same old.

But nothing says that Google has to always listen to nofollow - so maybe their idea is to stop obeying it once people learn that comment spam isn't worth the effort. I think if that ever happened you'd find it would coincide with an announcement that the little green bar was to be deprecated.

Basically in the interim, as you pointed out JLH, if you're not using nofollow you're at a disadvantage.

Nofollow always looked like a 'patch' rather than a evolutionary step to me, and I think it's a strategy built on sand.

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the whole nofollow thing just looks like a stop-gap measure - like <strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">G</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 255, 77);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">g</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);">l</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">e</strong> saying, &#8220;ok, our weapon of choice (PR) is out of the bag and losing relevance because people are abusing it - so lets throw the cat amongst the pigeons and give it a shake up&#8221;.</p>
<p>Short to mid term, it&#8217;s going to cause alot of flux in the index as it comes back to equilibrium, which may look good from the internal models at <strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">G</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 255, 77);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">g</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);">l</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">e</strong> - but medium term, it&#8217;s not going to achieve very much at all - it&#8217;ll be the same old same old.</p>
<p>But nothing says that <strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">G</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 255, 77);">o</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">g</strong><strong style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);">l</strong><strong style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">e</strong> has to always listen to nofollow - so maybe their idea is to stop obeying it once people learn that comment spam isn&#8217;t worth the effort. I think if that ever happened you&#8217;d find it would coincide with an announcement that the little green bar was to be deprecated.</p>
<p>Basically in the interim, as you pointed out <acronym title="John Honeck"><a title="JLH" href="http://johnhoneck.wordpress.com/">JLH</a></acronym>, if you&#8217;re not using nofollow you&#8217;re at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>Nofollow always looked like a &#8216;patch&#8217; rather than a evolutionary step to me, and I think it&#8217;s a strategy built on sand.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMu</title>
		<link>http://www.jlh-design.com/2007/07/nofollow-spam/#comment-5082</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnMu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not so much nofollow abuse, it's more just a laziness on the part of the webmaster. Just because there are some spam links doesn't mean that they all are. Imagine you go on a trip and the security guards treat everyone like terrorists. Oh wait...  :-).

One of my gripes about the nofollow is that it is effectively a form of cloaking: telling the search engines that a link is irrelevant while at the same time making it look like a normal link to the users. Imagine if all the links in the Wikipedia were highlighted as being "potentially untrustable" -- would anyone view the Wikipedia as being trustable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so much nofollow abuse, it&#8217;s more just a laziness on the part of the webmaster. Just because there are some spam links doesn&#8217;t mean that they all are. Imagine you go on a trip and the security guards treat everyone like terrorists. Oh wait&#8230;  :-).</p>
<p>One of my gripes about the nofollow is that it is effectively a form of cloaking: telling the search engines that a link is irrelevant while at the same time making it look like a normal link to the users. Imagine if all the links in the Wikipedia were highlighted as being &#8220;potentially untrustable&#8221; &#8212; would anyone view the Wikipedia as being trustable?</p>
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		<title>By: dockarl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dockarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a thought provoking post John - two thumbs up, sphunn :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a thought provoking post John - two thumbs up, sphunn <img src='http://www.jlh-design.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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