22nd January 2008

Getting help in GWHG

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I’ve been touting the virtues of Google’s Webmaster Help Group for some time now, real people with real sites get valuable help daily. Google has put forth some guidelines for using the group but I thought I’d amend them with some of my personal opinions. If you want to get as much out of the help group as possible the following ideas gripes (in no particular order) will help you to help us help you.

Read the FAQ - google-webmaster-help-google-groups.pngGoogle likes to hide the FAQ and group charter by only linking to it ten times [yes 10!] on the home page so they are sometimes tough to notice, but it’s really helpful if you read the frequently asked questions as since they are frequently asked that means that frequently you will find your answer right there. I’ve highlighted the links in the thumbnail as they are pretty well hidden on the page.

Apparently 10 links isn’t always enough so here’s ELEVEN.

  1. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  2. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  3. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  4. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  5. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  6. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  7. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  8. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  9. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  10. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read
  11. Group info, FAQs, and posting tips - please read

Post Site Name - this is stated in the in the group charter:

Please include all relevant details in your post, including your site URL, any error messages you see, etc.
Also, make sure to use descriptive subject lines for your posts. All of this will enable other group members to help you more quickly and it will also enable us to troubleshoot issues internally.

I cannot emphasize this enough. This is a practical place where real sites are looked at if you’d like to practice theoretical webmastering or SEO then I’d head over to Webmaster World where you can talk about “totally-white-hat-hand-written-red-widgets-authority-sites” all day and night. The regulars in the webmaster help group have looked at thousands of sites and are aware of most trends in sites’ performance problems in Google. Most can be deciphered in a few minutes but others take a lot of digging, which requires the site be physically examined.

If you are worried about the site being found in the search results on Groups there are a couple things you can do. The easiest is to post the URL in your profile, those don’t get indexed. The 2nd method is to obfuscate it a bit by breaking the link (don’t use http:// or www before it). The regulars in the group are quite willing to work with you as well, so stating that you don’t want links to the site placed within the thread will usually keep everyone in line.

Be patient - The help group is manned mostly by volunteers. Paid employees of Google do lurk the group and occasionally post but not nearly as much as the volunteers. If you’ve come expecting an answer in 10 minutes, well, it’s not that kind of party. Bumping threads is frowned upon and most likely will get the post ignored more than moved up. Also remember that this is an international forum with people from all corners of the earth posting, so while it may be 2:00 pm in your neck of the woods the foremost expert on subject may be in bed. Giving it at least a 24 hour cycle.

Spare us the Tales of Woe - We’ve seen it all, lost homes, laying off employees, starving babies, turning off the heat, etc. Granted your site is important to you, just like our sites are important to us. Trying to rally the troops by telling a sob story about how Google has ruined your marriage is not going to win the hearts and minds of the people who have devoted thousands of hours working to support Googles search quality.

Be prepared to back it up with facts - “I’ve been penalized”  or I’ve got the “-30/-950/-50/+6/Duplicate Content Penalty” may fly in some forums but as I said earlier GWHG is a practical place, we need real life examples. Explain how you came to the conclusion, what evidence you have, and what trends you see. “I’ve lost all my rankings” doesn’t help anyone help you as we don’t know what you used to rank for.

Be specific - Asking, “How can I improve my site in Google” isn’t going to get much response, it’s not the free SEO forum, but rather the Google Webmaster Help Group. Ask specific questions with regards to Google and you are likely receive some very specific answers.

Don’t start multiple threads - The regulars will be quick to point out that you are asking the same question over and over, thus souring other regulars from even bothering with your question.

Engage in discussion - Please come back and let us all know if you headed the advice, if it worked, didn’t work, or you just ignored it. Asking follow up questions to the follow ups is likely to get you more information, and threads with larger numbers of responses definitely get more attention.

Include History - So much of what happens in Google is not what you did yesterday but what you did three months ago, so if you recently bought the domain and 301 redirected it 7 times, changed hosts,  got rid of the malware downloads in hidden links, and removed the 17,000 hidden words before asking for assistance it would be good to bring that up.

There isn’t a way to contact Google - Again covered in the FAQ that nobody reads, but this is the simple truth.  There is not an email address for you to discuss why your site doesn’t rank for your keyword.

More than likely we are all you are going to get - Ranting and raving and demanding a 100% accurate answer from Larry PageBlue G is likely not to get you anywhere and even less likely to get an answer from 2nd or 3rd in command like SusanBlue G or JohnMuBlue G.

Be Honest - Nothing makes people angry quite as much as finding out we were deceived.  If you own a few hundred spam sites all interlinked and pointing to the cash cow that just took a tumble in the rankings you may want to mention that this isn’t your first rodeo, as someone will likely figure that out and the response will be a lot more brutal than if you pointed it out in the beginning.

Look for the Magic Phrase - Find the Easter Egg in the FAQs, more likely to attract Googlers.

Be polite, respectful, and keep it clean - While the group is pretty good at brutal honesty, brutality is not tolerated at any level.  Google’s response is swift and decisive and the regulars will swoop in and quickly surround abusive posters.

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There are currently 6 responses to “Getting help in GWHG”

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  1. 1 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 23rd, 2008, JohnMu said:

    Thanks for putting this together and for your help in the groups!

  2. 2 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 23rd, 2008, Sasch Mayer said:

    Nice, candid post about the wonders of GWHG

    Now, if we can only get new users to read the FAQ, we’ve won! ;-)

  3. 3 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 23rd, 2008, Abhilash said:

    JLH, I’ve watched your participation in the GWHG & on Matt’s blog for a long time. I was looking at a thread on which you had commented (surprise there), checked out your profile and saw *prodigious* activity on your part. I don’t know if it’s altruism or if you’re benefitting in some way, but I do want to compliment you on some outstanding help that you’ve provided to a ton of people. Well done.

    I’m even going to sponsor a beer for you. :)

  4. 4 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 23rd, 2008, John Honeck "JLH" said:

    Thanks for commenting John, Sasch, and Abhilash. To be sure, I receive no remuneration at all for my dribble in the help groups. Just ask Adam Lasnik or Matt Cutts, we’ve been on opposite sides of public discussions before.

    Here’s the big difference between GWHG and all the other SEO forums out there. The goal at GWHG is to help people set their sites up for success in Google by doing what Google recommends and mostly wants from them. On most SEO forums the goal is to simply do well in Google, by any means required. You’ll read more there about keyword density, varying your anchor text, etc, basically manipulative methods to help improve your rank. At GWHG the place is focused on what you should do to make the site more google friendly, not what trick or shortcut should be used to push the envelope.

    And Abhilash, THANKS FOR THE BEER. It surly is appreciated.

  5. 5 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 24th, 2008, Sasch Mayer said:

    You’ve hit the nail on the head about the big difference between GWHG and other SEO forums.
    Aside from a couple of users who keep insisting on talking about doing the numbers and using any means fair or foul to get to the top, it’s a place where people can actually get ‘holistic’ advice about their problems from ‘real’ webmasters without any of the billshut.

    It’s one of the main reasons I hang around the place.

    > THANKS FOR THE BEER. It surly is appreciated.

    So you appreciate it it a grudging, gruff, ill-mannered sort of way? ;-)

  6. 6 MyAvatars 0.2 On January 24th, 2008, John Honeck "JLH" said:

    Ahhh Haaa, whoops, surly == surely

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